Need a part

[SuzyJo]

Does anyone have access to a copy of the Eb soprano clarinet part for "English Folk Song Suite" that I could get a copy of? We are missing it in our our community band library. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[pete]

I may have a copy of the score around, someplace. I'd have to look. However, tell me if that's good enough or if you really need the part, itself: it's a lot of boxes I have to go through.

[Gandalfe]

She needs the part for a concert on 31 May. Apparently the flutes and oboe are so weak that the director has asked if she can help! :roll:

[pete]

So, is a score good enough?

[SuzyJo]

No, don't go to that much trouble. We have the score for our band, I just didn't want to have to transcribe the score. Thanks for your idea though.

[Carl H.]

A friend thinks there may be one in town. He is checking it out. If it is here I'll scan it and I can email it later tonight after rehearsal.

[Carl H.]

I'll be getting a copy tonight.
PM me your email address and I'll scan it and send it tonight.

Carl H.

[SuzyJo]

Thank-you so much for doing this. The part is way more interesting than the part I had and I will be able to buff up the flutes and oboe where needed. Thanks again.

[Carl H.]

Anybody know if there is an Eb clarinet part to Andersons Bunglers Holiday? So far it is one of 2 parts on our fall band concert which does not have an Eb part. The Bb part is all within the Eb range, so I am covered there. I'd rather play a separate Eb part as orchestrated if it exists, but I read off the 1st clarinet part last rehearsal and it is pretty simple.

So, anybody got one?

I should mention the score is a piano reduction so the conductor was even less help than usual.

What the heck, the other was a band arrangement of the Marriage of Figaro overture. Does anybody know if it may have an Eb part either?

thanks,
Carl

[pete]

I'm fairly certain that there is an eefer part for BH. At least, I remember one of the clarinet players playing it on Eb last time I played BH.

[Carl H.]

I'm fairly certain that there is an eefer part for BH. At least, I remember one of the clarinet players playing it on Eb last time I played BH.

Would you have access to the part and a scanner?

[pete]

It was a long while ago that I was married to the trumpeter who had the score. Sorry.

I do have access to my scanner, though. I dunno why, but everything comes out darkly ....

[Carl H.]

I dunno why, but everything comes out darkly ....
Are you using a Rovner?:roll:

[pete]

I'm also dreaming about electric sheep.

[Merlin]

I'm also dreaming about electric sheep.

You're such an android.

[Carl H.]

I'll offer one dark scan of an android sheep, for a copy of BH for eefer.

[pete]

You're such an android.
Well, I was wondering how I could work Deus Irae into a post, much less VALIS, so I'm glad someone got it (http://www.iblist.com/author95.htm) :).

[Ed Svoboda]

Now I'm pretty impressed with the PKD references.

I always enjoyed "The transmigration of Timothy Archer". PKD was seriously paranoid.

[Merlin]

Now I'm pretty impressed with the PKD references.



I nearly called Pete a "Dickhead"...but I wasn't even sure that would display properly.

[pete]

Let's see. How long can I ban Merlin?

:P

[Carl H.]

Let's see. How long can I ban Merlin?

:P

Til someone coughs up an Eb part for BH.8-)

[Gandalfe]

I used to have a copy of "The Marching Moron's" by Kornbluth in my office as manditory reading for the staff. Maybe I'll have youse guys read it. It is, after all, a short story. :twisted:

Carl, I've got our librarian making a copy. However, she's low tech so I'll have to wait for her to bring it to band this Thursday. I hope she follows through. Suzy's the Jazz Librarian, so getting copies of that stuff is *much* easier. 8-)

[Carl H.]

I used to have a copy of "The Marching Moron's" by Kornbluth in my office as manditory reading for the staff. Maybe I'll have youse guys read it. It is, after all, a short story. :twisted:

Carl, I've got our librarian making a copy. However, she's low tech so I'll have to wait for her to bring it to band this Thursday. I hope she follows through. Suzy's the Jazz Librarian, so getting copies of that stuff is *much* easier. 8-)

Thank you, I look forward to playing it.

[Carl H.]

Just got back from rehearsal. I checked the score and there is an Eb part for the Marriage of Figaro - arranged by Slocum.

Anybody got this one? I read off the Bb part and it is a real bugger at speed.

Thanks to those who check but come up dry. Some of these old arrangements are hard to keep a complete set of parts intact.

[Tammi]

I'm also dreaming about electric sheep.


I'm sorry.
If it will help, you can ban me until the dreams go away.

[pete]

FWIW -- and being moderately more serious -- a lot of larger universities have a music library with a rather comprehensive score collection. For example, I attended the State University of NY at Buffalo (UB) -- yes, I've attended a lot of colleges. Their music library had the original onion skin transcripts of a lot of John Coltrane's recordings. Heck, even the downtown Buffalo library had zillions of scores: I remember looking up R.V. Williams' Folk Song Suite there and walked out with vinyl of Pablo Casals playing Bach's Cello Suites (one of which I was going to play on bari sax).

Mind you, there may be copyright issues for music that is that new, but it's just goes to show you that they're available.

I'd love to live a tad bit closer to Arizona State University: they have a decent music library there. It's not *that* far away, but it's still far enough and I have to pay for parking.

I couldn't ban Tammi. Merlin's bribe wasn't big enough :).

[pete]

BTB, the BH score does not have an Eb clarinet part. PROOF. (http://www.music44.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=24814A5AE4FA7AE66ACBB91CE16E3A57&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=X&Product_Code=80161-D&Tab=PICS)

MoF as arranged by Slocum is all of $8 (http://www.music44.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=24814A5AE4FA7AE66ACBB91CE16E3A57&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=X&Product_Code=83481C-D) there, for a score. Here (http://www.jwpepper.com/catalog/search?option=results&weblist=Web.Home.Mozart.Band&stock=x) the eefer part's $3 ....

WAM "original" score (http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/variations/scores/abw8806/large/index.html) (remember: "clarinetti in B" is really Bb. "Clarinetti in H" would be a B clarinet)

[Merlin]

BTB, the BH score does not have an Eb clarinet part. PROOF. (http://www.music44.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=24814A5AE4FA7AE66ACBB91CE16E3A57&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=X&Product_Code=80161-D&Tab=PICS)



That's the orchestral score though, not the band score.

[Carl H.]

Funny, I spent time looking for the Anderson band arrangement there, but didn't check there last night for the Mozart.

Anybody know off hand what their shipping charge is?

[Gandalfe]

It should be said that I get most of my missing parts from the high school and college band directors who support the Community Band scene. It is much faster than in email or on a forum. Great point Pete! 8-)

[pete]

Funny, I spent time looking for the Anderson band arrangement there, but didn't check there last night for the Mozart.

Anybody know off hand what their shipping charge is?
JW Pepper: http://www.jwpepper.com/catalog/shippinginfo.jsp

Music 44 is dependent on how much you order and where to.

[pete]

That's the orchestral score though, not the band score.
Fine. Here's the band score (http://www.music44.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=24814A5AE4FA7AE66ACBB91CE16E3A57&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=X&Product_Code=82391-D&Tab=PICS) :P.

[SOTSDO]

I wonder how many groups still play it with divisi trumpets and cornets? Or, for that matter, with an alto clarinet?

As a general rule of thumb, I have found that the "hard" parts from arrangements are the ones that are missing when you look at acquiring one second- (and sometimes even first-) hand. So, you'll find that orchestral arrangements of the Gershwin stuff will be missing the original bass clarinet or saxophone parts, simply because someone has decided to keep them for future reference.

Quite often, when looking at "commercial" 5444 vocal arrangements of classic tunes for college level groups, I'll find that someone has "abstracted" the vocal parts from the folder at the music dealer. (These are "new" arrangements, not yet sold but still in the hands of the music dealer.) After getting burnt twice this way, I no longer buy anything that isn't either arranged from scratch or first examined by my lovely wife, who knows the drill on doing the screening.

[pete]

I wonder how many groups still play it with divisi trumpets and cornets? Or, for that matter, with an alto clarinet?

As a general rule of thumb, I have found that the "hard" parts from arrangements are the ones that are missing when you look at acquiring one second- (and sometimes even first-) hand. So, you'll find that orchestral arrangements of the Gershwin stuff will be missing the original bass clarinet or saxophone parts, simply because someone has decided to keep them for future reference.

Quite often, when looking at "commercial" 5444 vocal arrangements of classic tunes for college level groups, I'll find that someone has "abstracted" the vocal parts from the folder at the music dealer. (These are "new" arrangements, not yet sold but still in the hands of the music dealer.) After getting burnt twice this way, I no longer buy anything that isn't either arranged from scratch or first examined by my lovely wife, who knows the drill on doing the screening.
A slightly different take:

When I worked as the assistant to the director for a church, I'd transcribe original choral and band/orchestra arrangements from Integrity Music for our group: they'd send us the actual studio charts from their CD recording sessions. About 5 years after this, they started selling the "original" charts in stores. They were missing parts and simplified things.

The BH scores I mention above were not re-arrangements, as far as I'm aware, especially based on the copyright date. Re-arrangements generally are reductions, unless you're talking about, say, Rhapsody in Blue or something which was originally for "just" piano and then expanded to full orchestra (there's a video on YouTube of the "original" orchestral version, BTB).

Now, as far as BH is concerned, I thought I remembered someone playing Eb sopranino clarinet. That's still possible: I played in a band, not an orchestra (i.e. no strings). I also *know* that I played Bb contrabass clarinet on A Christmas Festival and the "new" score (http://www.music44.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=24814A5AE4FA7AE66ACBB91CE16E3A57&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=X&Product_Code=82511-D&Tab=PICS) doesn't list that part.

I'm virtually certain that in both cases they would have been transpositions of other parts, tho.

(Incidentally, I've played both alto sax parts, the tenor sax part, the bari sax part, the bass clarinet part, the contrabass clarinet part and all the Bb clarinet parts for A Christmas Festival at one time or another. if I still played, I might actually be able to do A part right in a few years :))

I can say, tho, havening worked as a music librarian that sometimes parts and scores are missing because of what you mention, Terry, or because those percussionists just forgot to turn in their part. However, if the part's not on the score, one would assume it doesn't exist.

[SOTSDO]

It has been my experience that vocalists (female vocalists, of all stripes, professional, half so, and raw amateur) are particularly adept with walking off with the parts, this so that they have something to sit at the piano and peck out the melody on a new piece or one in a different key. Out of the ones that we have used, only one absolutely, positively never did this once.

[Gandalfe]

We have back up books for subs for every part but vocal. I guess we'd better get that set up now too. :cry:

[Carl H.]

Carl, I've got our librarian making a copy. However, she's low tech so I'll have to wait for her to bring it to band this Thursday. I hope she follows through. Suzy's the Jazz Librarian, so getting copies of that stuff is *much* easier. 8-)

Did this fall through then?

[Carl H.]

I guess the answer is nothing then?

[Gandalfe]

Whoa, how'd I miss this. That's correct Carl, our librarian said we didn't have the part. :cry:

[Carl H.]

The band cheaped out on buying a part for borrowed music too. When I was librarian for a symphony some years ago, I had no qualms about purchasing whatever was necessary for the performance, regardless of the source.

I guess some groups are just users. If it wasn't for the playing time I get from the weekly rehearsals, I think I'd leave the band. Musically it is quite depressing.:-( I had been transposing the 1st clarinet part, but I think in performance I'll just sit there for the numbers they chose not to get the needed parts. (Yes, other parts are missing as well.)


Thanks for checking on it. I appreciate the effort.

[Gandalfe]

Carl, SuzySax (on this forum) plays an effer (Eb sop), Bb sop, and Eb alto clarinet when called upon. She never has to sit out. Maybe you should bring more than one instrument?

I often bring 3 or 4 instruments to practice 'cuz I play tenor in the big band for 90 minutes, then alto, sop, and now bass sax in the concert band. I can't imagine any reason to sit out.

[Carl H.]

Carl, SuzySax (on this forum) plays an effer (Eb sop), Bb sop, and Eb alto clarinet when called upon. She never has to sit out. Maybe you should bring more than one instrument?

I often bring 3 or 4 instruments to practice 'cuz I play tenor in the big band for 90 minutes, then alto, sop, and now bass sax in the concert band. I can't imagine any reason to sit out.
I could do that, but I'm getting tired of schlepping a car load of instruments to a non paying gig. I've played bass clarinet, Bb clarinet, Eb clarinet, tenor sax, mallets, snare drum, and timpani with this group. I'm tired of it. I'm going to play one concert on one instrument - the smallest instrument in the smallest case. If it were musically rewarding I'd be up for multiple parts, but the conductor is an abusive jerk and I'm in it purely for endurance building at this point.

I'm on the board and will be pushing to replace him ASAP. For what he is being paid, we can do better.