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    ok
    in the interest of brevity,
    I will set a parameter of only gigs Ive been paid for;
    and only instruments that have been played on the same gig as others.
    here we go.

    Highland Pipes standard pitch
    Highland Pipes A440
    Highland Pipes Bb
    Highland Pipes in B nat
    Mouthblown Fireside pipes A & Bb
    Uilleann pipes concert D set
    Scapoli 25 Zampogna
    Scapoli 32 Zampogna
    5 Palmi Zampogna
    6 Palmi Zampogna
    16 pouce Musette Bechonnét
    Biniou Kozh
    Kaba Gaida

    Ciaramella (sol)
    Bombarde
    Tin whistle D
    Low D whistle
    Oboe
    English horn
    Bb Clarinet
    Alto Sax
    Tenor Sax

    o yeh almost forgot:
    tamburello, tambourene, castanets, triangle, ankle bells.

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    CHasR, I nominate your above post as having the most instruments listed that I've never heard of. Although, I think I'd have to disqualify it because you just list a bunch of different pipes.



    I've gotta say that the literal translation of one of those instruments is "16 thumbs" which is either an extremely good description or one of the oddest I've ever heard of.

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    I finally got to add English horn to my list of owned instruments. Picked up a great deal on a Linton.

    Linton had English horns made by Malerne during the sixties and seventies. These are often great sounding and playing instruments. Malerne made stencils for a lot of companies - including Laubin! Of course Laubin's finishing is what made his EH's legendary, but the instrument he started with was pretty darn good.

    This one needs a bit of TLC. I think I'm going to replace the remaining bladder pads with synthetics, and then get a left hand F key added.

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    Congratulations on your new addition to your "arsenal". My hat is off to anyone who doubles on double reeds---especially the English Horn.

    This reminds me of a story I heard from Jeff Peterson at the sax workshop. His music store got a call from a customer wanting to rent an English horn. After being told by the clerk several times that they did not carry English horns, the customer kept insisting that they must have one somewhere she could rent. The clerk finally relented and said they could get her a French horn and an interpreter for about the same price.

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    English horn is a pleasure to play. The problem is that you have to pay your dues on oboe first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    CHasR, I nominate your above post as having the most instruments listed that I've never heard of. Although, I think I'd have to disqualify it because you just list a bunch of different pipes.



    I've gotta say that the literal translation of one of those instruments is "16 thumbs" which is either an extremely good description or one of the oddest I've ever heard of.
    thanks Pete, just found this thread again,
    DQ? ok, but we'll have to dq every SATbB sax listing too
    one might think oh, its just another bagpipe, but not so.

    Pouce, French for thumb, is how the instruments were originally measured. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Xk3G3LCsw
    (Think "cubit"). Zampogne are still measured in "Palmi", length of an outstretched palm. No need for that newfangled 'inch' stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    I think SOTSDO mentioned this on another thread: I don't think of myself as a "doubler", per se, because, in a lot of people's minds, that implies you're a jack of all trades and a master of none.
    I wouldn't consider any instrument a double unless people who don't know me think my "double" is my main instrument. When I'm playing it, it is. If I can't play it well enough to be considered a main instrument, it isn't a double either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl H. View Post
    I wouldn't consider any instrument a double unless people who don't know me think my "double" is my main instrument. When I'm playing it, it is. If I can't play it well enough to be considered a main instrument, it isn't a double either.
    If that isn't the best musical quote I've heard all year, I don't know what is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHasR View Post
    thanks Pete, just found this thread again,
    DQ? ok, but we'll have to dq every SATbB sax listing too
    one might think oh, its just another bagpipe, but not so.

    Pouce, French for thumb, is how the instruments were originally measured. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Xk3G3LCsw
    (Think "cubit"). Zampogne are still measured in "Palmi", length of an outstretched palm. No need for that newfangled 'inch' stuff.
    Thanks for the knowledge. I'll mention it to my wife, who has played pipes. Highland, I think.

    Of course I am joking around a bit regarding a DQ, because you're right to some extent: you play a Bb soprano sax a bit differently than a Bb bass and vice-versa and each has their own tonal quality and the player can either express that or not, depending on how he plays.

    I remember how fascinating it was when I first played Bb contrabass clarinet, because I had never heard one before. I also remember the horn, a Leblanc "paper clip" model, bouncing around as I tried to hit all the keys for Leroy Andersen's "A Christmas Festival" (if you've never heard it, there's a spot at 5:21 -- which a poster says, "The Nukes Start Landing!" -- that concludes around 6:21 where the basses, etc. go ballistic in tutti).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    English horn is a pleasure to play. The problem is that you have to pay your dues on oboe first!
    Boy, you got that right. I'd lay out the bread immediately for a good English horn if I didn't realistically have to play 2nd oboe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    I also remember the horn, a Leblanc "paper clip" model, bouncing around as I tried to hit all the keys for Leroy Andersen's "A Christmas Festival" (if you've never heard it, there's a spot at 5:21 -- which a poster says, "The Nukes Start Landing!" -- that concludes around 6:21 where the basses, etc. go ballistic in tutti).
    what a great chestnut warhorse that one is! I went through a heavy LeRoy Anderson/ Eric Coates/ in fact all things pops phase once upon a time, but just now its Arabo/Turkish pop-dub & Mick Taylor era Stones.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zzx7ksP0vY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftk32FKD4Io

    I will however, hop on the Cor Anglais bandwagon. luvvin me some E.H.

    I dont feel its necessary to be a virtuoso on everything one doubles on: so long as the part /cue is covered with great tone, balance, & phrasing, then were good to go. Having Swan of Tuonela, La Gazza Ladra, the Monti Czardas, Giant Steps, Rakish Paddy, Lament for the Harp Tree & a 20 min Saltarello Calabrese on the lineup for one gig would be a rare occasion to rise to.
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    My turn then I guess

    I only play a few but at least from 3 different families so I hope getting the other family members won't be so difficult when it'll be asked for.

    * Soprano Recorder
    * Flute
    * Eb Clarinet
    * Bb Clarinet
    * Alto Sax

    My first instrument was piano and although I'm still pretty good at it and I always enjoy playing it, I don't really take it into account in my doubles since a gig is either piano-only or ww's only.

    From what I read, I was fortunate enough to learn the clarinet first so the transition to sax was rather smooth, though I had to force myself not to have a clarinet embouchure on this beast. That's also by picking up the sax that I realised that "deeply breathing" was not enough for a ww player even though that's what my clarinet teacher had always told me ("Do I have to breathe in some special way ? - No, just breath deeply, son").
    I also recently started the flute, which is somehow my own stick of death, though it has now greatly improved. I have yet to gig on the flute but I don't feel like I'm ready to do my coming-out as a flutist just yet.

    So as money (hopefully) keeps coming in I'll be able to look for some other members of these families. I planned a trip to the music shop in a month or so. I'll be looking for some stuff like a tenor sax or a bass clarinet. I don't know which already. I'd love to go for a bass clarinet but I was thinking that while I'm at it why not go directly for a low-c bass which is out of my price range for the moment. So Tenor Sax it will certainly be unless by then I either receive a large amount of cash or I won't resist wanting a bass clarinet. I'd also go straight up for a baritone but that would send my bank account straight up to the depths of poverty.

    Lately my interest in the bassoon has also greatly increased as all the bassoon players I see always look like they're having such a blast doing their pom popom bassoon thingy. But I don't think I'm ready to start cutting folding and tying cane or whatever right now. But I guess it's somewhere in my head so it will pop up anytime soon.

    So that's my story. As far as my gigs are invovled, I play weekly Bb & Eb Clarinet in a concert band (Eb Clarinet is such a blast when you avoid the silly Eb key in the middle of everything) and play alto sax and Bb Clarinet in jazz setups. I've also played soprano recorder a couple of times and it has always been fun, mainly I guess because those passages were short.
    Still waiting for some pit work but not much of that here in Europe =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
    My turn then I guess



    My first instrument was piano and although I'm still pretty good at it and I always enjoy playing it, I don't really take it into account in my doubles since a gig is either piano-only or ww's only.


    So that's my story. As far as my gigs are invovled, I play weekly Bb & Eb Clarinet in a concert band (Eb Clarinet is such a blast when you avoid the silly Eb key in the middle of everything) and play alto sax and Bb Clarinet in jazz setups. I've also played soprano recorder a couple of times and it has always been fun, mainly I guess because those passages were short.
    Still waiting for some pit work but not much of that here in Europe =(
    Hey Pierre
    Keep your piano chops up. They've come in handy for me many times.
    In wedding bands I often did the cocktail piano before the party and a lot of bands will have an auxiliary keyboard for various members to use.
    I recommend having a strong bass playing left hand and don't use the sus pedal.

    My emphasis on doubles lately has been the bass.
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    what the heck is going on here!!
    two posts vanished
    are ebay links not allowed?
    in that case the whole post shouldn't disappear

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsax View Post
    ... in that case the whole post shouldn't disappear
    Well, obviously they can

    #1. You could ask an admin nicely where your post went. 'Tis the season and stuff. And someone else had the same problem.
    #2. Your post didn't disappear. It went into the moderation queue.
    #3. Because I'm not able to be around here as much as I used to, I've been using a new plugin to validate new users and control registrations. Anyhow, said plugin obviously saw that you were quoting a new user (who does get moderated by the plugin) and added an eBay link. What the plugin is supposed to do is, "New user posts eBay link, therefore I'll move the post to the moderation queue." It just got a little overly enthusiastic or has a bug.

    So, put up with it for a bit. E-mail or PM me if it happens too often, otherwise I'll just check the moderation queue at random during the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsax View Post
    Hey Pierre

    I recommend having a strong bass playing left hand
    Careful there. I know a few bass players (myself included) who hate heavy handed piano players. There are times when I will walk in to a place thinking I might sit in with my friends and turn around and leave when I see a certain piano player is in attendance. Nobody needs 2 bass players fighting for the same sonic space.
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    I agree piano has come in handy many times for me. And I hope it will again in the future.
    As for the left hand thing, I'd say it depends. As Carl says, if there is a bass player in your setup, you might want to leave him some space and, except for some exceptions, play with "two right hands", after all, it's his job to play bass !
    But I agree that, without a bass player, you want to have a heavy left hand.

    As for the sus pedal, I'm unfortunately one of those who use it a bit too much, and I know I'll have to work on it...

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    I play a LOT of flute--it is by far my favorite double--the clarinet is just too darn clunky and awkward

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    I love threads like this. Lots of obsessive instrument collectors here just like me.
    Trombones; tenor (small and large), bass, alto and flugabone.
    My main horn which I studied is the tenor trombone.
    Bb tuba
    Played (but not owned) euphonium/baritone in the past.
    Borrowed my wife's Trumpet/flugelhorn but haven't the trumpet chops for high register. Sold my French horn - horrid.
    Digital piano and Hammond clone organ.
    EWI 4000s
    Tenor and baritone saxes in the last couple of years - improving.
    In our ska/reggae band I usually take trombone, Bari sax and EWI.

    My latest acquisition is an Eb contra-clarinet (a 60's paperclip style Leblanc). I think contra ALTO is a ridiculous name for it. It's currently being overhauled and I'm desperately looking forward to it like a kid waiting for Christmas presents.

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    When we correct the name of the bass clarinet (which should be called the tenor clarinet), we'll start worrying about the contra-alto...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOTSDO View Post
    When we correct the name of the bass clarinet (which should be called the tenor clarinet), we'll start worrying about the contra-alto...
    Obviously we are all (hopefully) allowed to express our own opinions. I've been mulling over the above point (probably more than you intended) and with all due respect, I'm not convinced. I don't doubt that this subject has been discussed before but it does interest me. Please move my comment if it better belongs in a different thread.

    Whilst the bass clarinet shares the same transposition as the tenor sax and obviously can be effectively played in tenor and higher vocal ranges, I see the bass clarinet as a primarily a bass or bass-baritone voice comparable to the cello, bassoon, baritone sax and bass trombone. All these instruments can and are played beautifully in the tenor range with many famous examples but it is not their primary orchestral function. No one defines idiomatic bassoon writing by the high register solo at the start of the Rite of Spring.

    I suppose the difficulty arises from the large range of many of these instruments when compared to voices. I'm sure we can all name wind instruments that don't have universally agreed names such as treble/alto recorder. My flugabone or flugelbone can at a pinch be a bass trumpet or marketed as a 'marching (tenor) trombone' (although I always marched with the slide version back in the military band). Alto clarinets have at times historically been labelled tenor clarinets and the basset clarinet in A was labelled a 'bass clarinet' in Mozart's time. An Eb tuba has also been called a bombardon or an Eb or EEb bass. Worst of all Eb alto/tenor horns, Bb tenor/baritone horns and baritone horn/euphonium/bass saxhorn/tenor tubas which all merge into an incoherent linguistic mess outside of a local context. On vacation in Italy last summer, I noticed band concert posters describing a rotary 3 valve trombone as flicorno tenore and a Yamaha euphonium as flicorno baritono. It presumably works for them. Saxophones seem unusual in that the central core range or each member resembles the equivalent vocal range fairly closely.

    Alto comes from the Italian and means high whether describing a mountain or a musical pitch. I tend to presume the word entered music terminology to described the highest natural adult male voice in church music. Women singing in their lower register with the high male altos therefore being described as contralto. The Eb alto clarinet in English is therefore sensibly called a contralto clarinet in Italy.

    My new toy, my Leblanc Eb paperclip (since it has been repadded), has a lovely lower range right down to the written C, Eb concert, right down next to the (string) double bass's bottom E string. It's a pure joy to play it down there. With just a little more effort it can play much higher with written B in the stave sounding the same pitch as bottom E on the standard Bb clarinet. No one would suggest this alto register is it's main function. It is easy to understand how Leblanc (and others) took the analogy of the contra alto octaving the alto clarinet just as their contrabass octaves the bass clarinet. Contra alto clarinet still makes no sense musically or linguistically. It is not a very familiar instrument in my area and the word alto just seems confusing when used to describe its function; hence some written sources referring to it as an Eb contrabass. Perhaps another sensible alternative might be simply Eb contra clarinet, it chimes quite well with contra bassoon and other contra bass instruments yet avoids precisely duplicating the name, contrabass clarinet without suggesting its an alto clarinet.
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