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    Very interesting thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lance714 View Post
    Very eye-opening to read all the posts in this thread. I wonder though if marriage and having kids is a significant obstacle for a musical career. It's been true before and even more so today that a financially rewarding career in music takes an unusually intense uncompensated dedication in the beginning and may, with luck, pay off in the end. With this in mind, I suspect that marriage (and especially having kids) would and the priorities it brings to one's life would have a disastrous affect on all possible chances in this delicate career choice.
    ....but so far I feel that I couldn't have had some of the success (in music and otherwise) with the elevated responsibility to work hard and provide for a family.
    I have two daughters in the arts. One is 25 and is a succesful self-employed professional artist/painter. The other is 17 and wants to be a full-time professional musician/saxophonist. Both say they do not plan on having children, as they want to succeed in their fields.

    My 25-year old does not spend money the way many Americans do. She does not own a car. She spends half the year in the US, living with us and utilizing her art studio, which is my 3rd floor. The other half she spends in Europe. This method allows her to save her money to buy a house/studio, and put a lot of money into her IRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHasR View Post
    Jacques, what interests me is the current level of government involvement for the average European musician today. Do top tier ensembles still receive majority funding from Gov't? What about B list C list 'artistic' ventures?....Or, as here in the US, is funding mostly managed now by the foundation/ non-profit grant system ? (good anecdote, by the way!)
    I drafted a rather lenghty answer to this interesting question and, after having sent it, discovered it never made its way into the forum... Perhaps this f...... filter.
    A bit in a hurry now. Shall try again soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oboesax View Post
    I have two daughters in the arts. One is 25 and is a succesful self-employed professional artist/painter.... Both say they do not plan on having children, as they want to succeed in their fields.
    Sounds like their decision is quite reasonable if they have important career ambitions. To me, what's interesting is your attitude to this matter. Parents are notorious for their cruel, biologically driven instinct to want their children to eventually procreate. They've done it; now they want YOU to do it as well. So, if you're cool with their decision to not have children, then my hat's off to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques5646 View Post
    I drafted a rather lenghty answer to this interesting question and, after having sent it, discovered it never made its way into the forum... Perhaps this f...... filter.
    A bit in a hurry now. Shall try again soon.
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    Nope. Not in the queue.

    The thing I often do is post a quick reply (like this one) and press the "reply to thread" button instead of the "post quick reply" button.

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    Threadus Resurrectus! I have a couple things to add.

    First, I did break my $15 rule and went with my wife to see the Mythbusters' "Behind the Myths" tour. However, there was an extenuating circumstance: I was using birthday money. It was $38 per cheap-seat ticket (I'll again note that the Mesa Arts Center cheap seats are really, really nice), including parking. Yes, it was enjoyable, even though I was very sick, I could say it was enjoyable. I don't think I would have gone if I wasn't given cash, though. It would be cheaper to get a Netflix subscription and watch all the Mythbusters TV episodes. I already have that subscription.

    Second, I got something interesting in my e-mail the other day. I'm fond of a UK band called Gomez. One of their singers, Ben Ottewell, is trying to create a second solo album, so he's using Indiegogo to finance it. How this relates to how much people make in the recording biz is that one of the "perks" you can get if you pay enough is to get Mr. Ottewell to sing at your home or private venue. The cost? 2,000 British pounds, plus airfare, room, and board. That's $3,267.78 US, according to XE.com -- and tag on about the same for airfare, room and board. For a private show from someone who's in a band that has had recent multiple platinum and top ten albums. As a matter of fact, he and his band were out here in Phoenix a few months ago and the tickets were in that $37 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dick View Post
    I don't know that this will apply to you youngsters, but I found survival 'till sixty-five allowed me to live as an artist (well, maybe without much talent but at least doing nothing other than music). Between my teachers' pension and Social Security I am able to eat, play and stay out of inclement weather - most of the time anyway.
    I've just discovered this thread, so apologies for the tardy post. But the above quote fits closely my own forthcoming situation.

    I am expecting a UK teacher's pension in precisely 11 months and 2 weeks time (we are able to retire at 60 currently on full pension). I actually gave the university teaching job up over 15 years ago, and I've been self employed as a photographer and photography teacher ever since. I think my situation is similar to those considering a full time occupation as a self employed musician though, (and I actually photograph music as one of my specialist areas).

    I've had some good years in that period and some very lean years. One Christmas, about 6 years back, I hadn't even got enough money for a turkey and had to settle for beans on toast. My partner (whom I met a few months later) still wells-up with tears when I mention it.

    The last 3 years have been excellent and Christmas's have never been as good. But, I can see things getting "tighter" right at the moment, and my eye is on the finishing post next August (when the pension kicks in). At that point I'll be doing a small amount of the photography work - but mainly concentrating on learning the Sax, and traveling.

    My full time career was very long (over 25 years) quite successful and very well paid, after a few promotions, and I was always financially comfortable. But would I go back to it? No.

    Would I become self employed again...well,to be honest, perhaps only if I could compromise between creative expression, being my own boss and...never having to go broke.

    A financial "cushion" is a wonderful thing to have but impossible to guarantee. I would certainly not start from scratch without one, though. I would also start part-time (and I was photographing for money for nearly 20 years before I gave up the day job completely). And then, only when the desired work (music, for example) is becoming so busy that it encroaches on the day job - and I have a diary that was at least half full for the next year.

    Getting the work, in my experience, is much harder that doing it (and "doing" it assumes that you're good at what you do, because that helps to keep the phone ringing).

    CASE IN POINT: The phone range an hour ago - a new job from a client (a large pharmaceutical company) I haven't heard from in 2 years. They said, "it's an important photograph" (actually a group photo including the head of the Nestle Corporation in Europe), "so we needed the best person we knew."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    CASE IN POINT: The phone range an hour ago - a new job from a client (a large pharmaceutical company) I haven't heard from in 2 years. They said, "it's an important photograph" (actually a group photo including the head of the Nestle Corporation in Europe), "so we needed the best person we knew."
    Sweet! Gotta luv that.

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    Yeah, excepting only that their chocolate tastes like Bakelite...

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