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Bundy (and Signet Special) Mazzeo Clarinets

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But...

...does it have the almost always missing clutch pin? i can't tell from the photos, and (natürlch) the photos do not extended far enough to the North to tell. In the case of Goodwill auctions, asking questions has proved to be futile in the past, so there's no hope there.

Have any of you folks who repair horns ever tried to order a part for a Selmer or Bundy (I don't recall them making Signets, but I could be wrong) Mazzeo horn? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
Have any of you folks who repair horns ever tried to order a part for a Selmer or Bundy (I don't recall them making Signets, but I could be wrong) Mazzeo horn? Inquiring minds want to know...

To my great surprise I looked in the Allied Catalog and found that they supply the following parts for a Bundy/Selmer Model 1400 Bb Mazzeo system clarinet:

- F# ring key
- Thumb key
- A/D ring key
- Bb key
- Rocker (not sure what that is)
- Trill key lever assembly

Conn/Selmer may also have some parts still available. If there is something specific you are looking for, I would be happy to inquire.
 
The rocker...

...is a lever mounted between two posts that is part of the changeover mechanism that enables the special Mazzeo "right hand down" facility.

It's similar to the one on my Yamaha baritone for the triple octave mechanism. I recall one of these wiggling away on my Selmer baritone, back in the day - every time you moved across the switch from one pip to the other, it would do a little shimmy there, right in my peripheral vision. Very distracting.
 
Well, the Signet is a buy. I've bought several Bundy horns at higher price points, but all of them were missing the Mazzeo mechanism parts that made it work. They all went back for full refunds.

Does Goodwill allow for returns?
 
I know of a Bundy Mazzeo that is fully operational and in very good condition.
 
Interestingly, stumbled over two Mazzeo Bundies in tonight's eBay scavenging run. (was looking for a Vito VSP)

I too have a Mazzeo, including the (disassembled) link rocker (or whatever the name of that gizmo). I tried to play as Rosario intended, but as I am an "all fingers down" player, it wouldn't do any good, so the key went to storage. (I even have a vague idea where it might be at the moment).
 
I know of a Bundy Mazzeo that is fully operational and in very good condition.

Mind you, I don't doubt that they occasionally exist. However, the ones that make it to eBay have been (in my two purchase experiences and several instances where I sent an inquiry after being burnt) without the pin for the clutch or whatever it's called.

Since most of the Bundy instruments would have been bought for beginning students, and since we all know how student instruments get treated, and since we all know of the reluctance of teachers to adopt a "new" innovation (that's now - what? - some fifty years old), it's understandable that most of them would have ended up with the clutch pin pulled, put away somewhere by Mom or Dad, and then forgotten when the horn went off to the second-hand store.

I also hasten to add that my Selmer (Paris) Mazzeo horn with silver-plated key work has everything present and accounted for, thank you very much. It's not a full Boehm horn (they apparently do exist, but I haven't seen one for sale since the advent of eBay), but it's still a decent horn. (One of these days I'm going to have to do the photography thing and put the photos up here.)
 
The question still stands - can you actually play with that mechanism? It's not that it's bad per se (I'd like to see a "pinch Bb" replacement like in Alto and Bass clarinets, and I often resort to the side trill for long and exposed Bbs), but the "right hand" linkage was too much for me, especially if you were taught to anticipate the lower clarion notes after a the throat Bb.

If you were fed on Mazzeo's system from day one, now that'd be a different story. But apparently, old habits die hard...
 
My Mazzeo played just fine - as it was designed. When attempting to play it "normally" all sorts of hell breaks out at the worst possible times.
 
Different fingering systems...

I started out on an Albert bass as a young tad, was switched over to a Boehm because (in the words of the teacher that I had for about a month) "we don't use that kind of horn here", transitioned to a full Boehm while in high school, learned saxophone and bassoon along the way, and finally scored a Oehler when I was an adult. While the different fingering systems can be a bother at times (last night at a pit orchestra rehearsal, I started "playing saxophone" on the soprano clarinet - rather bewildering when it happens, as you might imagine), none of them were beyond my feeble mind.

I have found that, when learning something new be it a computer program, a sport or a musical instrument, that it is best to do a little theoretical work (method book work, reading the manual, doing the drills) but also a lot of practical work. I find myself far more motivated to learn if I am accomplishing something at the same time.

Apple has issued a computer program called Pages that coexists quite nicely on the iPhone, the iPad and the Macintosh system computer. (There are some minor differences between the iOS and OS X, but in general they are the same program.) Now, I am a MS Word user on the Macintosh from about 1985 or so, and am quite comfortable with the program, but I can see the utility of an "all platforms" program like Pages. But, I hate to do the transition.

What I did was to take a piece of work that needed to be done (a five thousand word essay on a complicated game, complete with footnotes and references), forcibly put my beloved Word aside, and plunged in. No turning back, no giving up and going back to familiar ground.

For the first seven hundred words or so, I stumbled along, fumbling through the help files whenever I needed to master a procedure for footnoting or something. But, after that early threshold, it has generally been smooth sailing.

With the Mazzeo system, Rosario was enough of a realist to understand that clarinet systems often meet with resistance when introduced. The Ivan Muller "complicated" clarinet was fought tooth and nail by the music establishment when he proposed it. Even though the tone was superior to the old cross-fingered "simple" clarinet, the cries of "It's too complicated!" echoed through Europe.

The same was said of the Klose/Boehm, certainly of the Romero, and (I would imagine) of the "Oehler" horn. All the while, right there in front of them in the orchestra, sat the oboes, with their mass of interconnected key work, with complication upon complication. Go figure.

As a full Boehm player of some experience (almost five decades now), I have heard the "It's too complicated/It won't stay in regulation!" mantra for most of that time. I also occasionally get questions (being in a world of saxophone players who also have learned clarinet) about how to make some complicated set of transitions through the little finger keys that is puzzling them - I just point to the left hand Eb key and say "Get one of these..."

I have not put in the amount of time on the Mazzeo at this point to be able to agree or disagree with our Swiss friend's contention. I have only started fooling around with a working Mazzeo for, as mentioned above, every other friggin' time that I've tried to buy one (in pre-eBay and post-eBay days), what I was presented with was a stripped Mazzeo, where the former owner had taken Rosario's improvements out of engagement.

This summer, when the music season slows down (although it's hard to imagine it getting slower than it is at the moment), I'll put it on my limited practice rota (along with the bassoon - you can never spend too much time with a bassoon) and work my technique up.

However, I imagine that I will still pine for the missing Eb lever and articulated G#. For that matter, in one of the shows I am working right now (Hello, Dolly!), I am even getting some use out of the fork Eb. The last time that I did this show, I played the clarinet part on my Oehler horn, that due to the heavy use of sharp keys.

If a full Boehm one comes up somewhere, please let me know...
 
What a coincidence, I was using my Mazzeo for a run of Hello Dolly. It was helpful to have the Mazzeo system for a few of the licks, but overall I found having to remember to not use long fingerings to be the biggest hassle.

For the first HR clarinet I've ever played, I was impressed with it enough to do a show with it. After the show closed I put it away and have no desire to use it again. The improvements do work and make sense, but it brings a different set of compromises with it.
 
... (last night at a pit orchestra rehearsal, I started "playing saxophone" on the soprano clarinet - rather bewildering when it happens, as you might imagine),...

That's really disorienting isn't it? I did something similar on a gig a few weeks ago. My tárogató, which is basically like albert system fingering, was having some minor work done on it so I played something I would normally do on tárogató on boehm clarinet.

On the opening passage that starts (2nd register) F# G A# B A# G F#. The F#s came out as F naturals and I was completely confused for a few moments.
 
Could any of you help me come up with a reasonable price for a Selmer 100 Mazzeo? It is wood. A friend has one with all parts there (I believe) that has been stored for several years. She has offered it to me, but neither of us knows its value. I can find regular Selmer 100s, but not the Mazzeo.
 
The 100 should also be a Signet. Signets, even though the 100s are good horns, are intermediate models.

The end-all, be-all of this particular thread is that there doesn't seem to be any $ premium you get with the Mazzeo System. I suppose it's possible that Terry would pay for the clutch he's mentioned AND you could sell the rest of the horn for the price of a normal Signet 100 (you can wait for him or send a private message). However, I think Terry's now holding out for a Mazzeo System alto clarinet.

(That's an inside joke. If you browse the forum, you'll understand.)

Your #1 determining factor is going to be condition.

Check out:
http://www.woodwindforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1195
and
http://www.woodwindforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=806
 
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