thx for clarification. I sometimes asumme far too much. ...& we ought all, (as a linguistic group) be grateful that six Sikh Shehnaists arent fond of silently sipping soup by the seashore.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shehnai -- for those of us who have no clue what it is. Players are called "Shehnaists." Say that 5 times fast. Please continue ....)