Is this Buffet Eefer as old as I think it is?

Discussion in 'The Buffet Family' started by TrueTone, Apr 2, 2018.

  1. TrueTone

    TrueTone Clarinet, Sax, Oboe, History

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    So an auction I was watching ended, and I wasn't a bidder as I was in a wind quintet's concert listening to them.
    Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/162959998230
    My thoughts are that this Buffet is from the 1850s, but I'm not fully convinced I'm right. It has what I understand was the Buffet logo from before he added his wife's name Crampon to it, and looks to be a bit too advanced for the time period-it has rollers and 4 rings, which I'm fairly sure had only been around for a few years at the time, and I'm not too sure any clarinets had rings on the UJ yet at this point in time. It also looks a bit too modern in the barrel/joint end rings and such, although I know some mid-19th century Buffets had rings on the ends of all female tenons, but those had the modern logo on them.
    Anyone here have anything that proves or disproves its legitimacy?
    It's certainly possible that it could be a fake...
     
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    Wow, could the pictures be anymore fuzzy? Sigh ...
     
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    pete Brassica Oleracea Staff Member Administrator

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    I doubt it. Making a fake of a not-commonly-used clarinet pitch in concert with a not-commonly-used fingering system isn't practical, especially when you get only $205 on the thing. It is possible that someone replaced the roller keys -- i.e. the entire key, not just the roller -- or something like that.

    Anyhow, more of a question for @Steve
     
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  4. TrueTone

    TrueTone Clarinet, Sax, Oboe, History

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    My thinking on it being a possible fake was that it might have been one from the 1870s or something like that.
    What you said about the keys with rollers being replaced or altered makes sense though...hmm.
     
  5. TrueTone

    TrueTone Clarinet, Sax, Oboe, History

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    As I typed this right before my Chem lab and didn't really proofread it-I expect it if it was a fake to be from the 1870s, as an Albert system Buffet with that logo would still be within common memory. I know I've seen a fake looking Selmer Albert system (fake looking logo that looked nothing like any Selmer logo) before on eBay last year, so it's certainly possible. Whether or not it's probable is a bit different, like you said, Pete, that's not very practical to fake.
     
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    pete Brassica Oleracea Staff Member Administrator

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    This was fun.

    There is an 1850 invoice for a Buffet Bb clarinet (and other instruments) at http://clariboles-et-cie.blogspot.com/2016/02/facture-buffet-crampon-de-1850.html. The price is 110 Francs. There's a website that does inflation calculation from way back then, which is impressive in and of itself. 110 Francs in 1850 = $1197 US in 2015. FWIW, Eb sopranos are slightly more costly than their Bb counterparts: the Bb Tosca is $7509 and the Eb is $7879. That's about a 5% difference in price. (Pete used math! It's super effective.)

    FWIW, several years ago, I saw that there was someone taking saxophones and engraving them with logos from different companies. I remarked that the horns weren't bad makes/models and could have fetched a relatively good price if they HADN'T been re-engraved. So, you're right: possible but not practical.
     
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