Did you notice the thickness of the toneholes?
Not really. They don't look that remarkable.
I have not seen any other horn with this thickness of the toneholes... white, conn, buescher... even the conn wonder have thin tone holes like buescher...
You're comparing a lot of different horns that shouldn't be compared
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The Conn Wonder -- that's a Conn that was made from approximately 1895 to 1917 and isn't engraved "Worcester" and doesn't have rolled tone holes -- isn't the same as a New Wonder, which is a Conn that does have rolled tone holes, the "CG Conn LTD" stamp/engraving and the Haynes tonehole patent stamped under the thumbrest.
The Conn New Wonder and
some Buescher True Tones -- the ones that don't have
soldered beveled tone holes and are stamped with that patent number under the thumbrest -- were both fabricated using the Haynes tone hole creation patent, thus the tone holes are similarly made. HN White used a different patent, thus a different process.
I recall reading that both conn and buescher worked for cleveland the first 2 years, around 1918...
You've read that wrong.
CG Conn had been around practically forever and FA Buescher worked for
him, and then left to form his own company, which he sold and then formed another, but they were in Indiana, not Cleveland.
I see no record saying that HN White ever worked for CG Conn.
I do not know much about king
I recommend my old website,
http://saxpics.com/king and the very nice (but not mine)
http://www.hnwhite.com
... Yesterday my cousin brought her post White American Standard over.. it looked late 20s early 3os... There were definte differences... The markings, (off center on bell) the finish(no satin) were different, the bore appeared smaller, and the tone holes were thin..... I did not really look at the keys
The one major thing that I stress to folks is that a specific model could have extreme variation over the years it was produced. Hey, a 2009 Chevy Malibu doesn't look like a 2001 model.
Cleveland was a "second line". I have heard that Buescher's second-line was made using old tooling and that can cause a significant variance in build quality. I see no reason to expect that HN White exempted themselves from this rule.
I had only about 5 min. between cilents... I am a theraputic massage therapist by trade.
I could use a massage. You're not in the Phoenix area, are you?
You may be right and the information I gathered last year may very well have been wrong.
Determining what is what on a vintage horn is difficult. I've just been doing it for a long time and I feel very comfortable with identifying American makes, but if someone has information that says I'm wrong, I'm always happy to see it -- well, unless I just spent 50 hours coding a webpage.
I have 14... 1 soparno, 1 tenor, 1 cmelody, the rest altos... I
have 1 selmer newyork... conn stencil, 1 conn new wonder, 1 cleveland, and lot of bueschers... most are in the early to mid 20s a couple of the aristocracts are in the 30's...
I do a little calendar every year and I'm in the process of writing a book. If you wanna send pics, you can opt for a share of the profits if I include 'em! Details:
http://www.thesax.info/mediawiki-1.10.0/index.php?title=Calendar_project
