Best Buy will now sell instruments

more competition is always a good thing for us the consumer.
Until they drive the little guy out of business and you are stuck with whatever their corporate HQ says to keep in inventory.
 
I saw an alto saxophone for sell on their site back in the winter, but I don't know that it'd be a good one to buy, so I'll stick with the brand names.
 
I heard, a long while ago, that Costco was going to be carrying Yamaha horns, but their website has only "Suzuki Pro Classic" saxophones. Best Buy sells the Suzuki, too. Sam's Club also carries the SIMBA in addition to the Suzuki.
 
As long as the big box stores limit there instrument sales to online,
they won't develop into a huge threat IMO. If they ever put them on the floor
as a regular item, and not just an occasional offering, watch out.
Online, they are just another option to click on.
 
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As long as the big box stores limit there instrument sales to online,
they won't develop into a huge threat IMO. If they ever put them on the floor
as a regular item, and not just an occasional offering, watch out.
Online, they are just another option to click on.

That's exactly what they're going to do. Create a whole new section of the store dedicated to instruments with the same big name brands as you'd see in Guitar Center. It'll be both "bricks and clicks (in-store and online)".

Now you'll be about to shop for the cherry red sunburst Les Paul you've always wanted while the Mrs. is pricing that new fridge for the kitchen.
 
I'm seriously looking to purchase a Sam's Club clarinet. No, not as a musical instrument (says the guy with the front room full of Selmer horns), but rather as the raw material for another one of my "clarinet pictures".

I've seen these elsewhere, most recently in a restaurant in Louisville. The two that I made were well recieved by the recipients, but I've never gotten around to making one for my house.

The process is simple, even for those who are artistically challenged. You mount a clarinet (or saxophone, or trumpet, or whatever) on a piece of fine grained Plywood, using a couple of machine bolts led up through the Plywood and epoxied into holes drilled into (or, in the case of a brass horn, through) the horn. Then, you spray paint the top of the board, the bolts and the horn itself with "granite" spray paint (two coats), with the color selected to match the room in which it will hang. (Care has to be taken to paint it from all angles, below as well as from the side and above.) Once it's all dried (and coated with artist's matt finish) you mount it in a matt and frame to match your home decor.

The texture and color of the paint make the horn "disappear". leaving you with only the outlines of the instrument. It's particularly effective when hung on a largely vertical wall, and it's an easy project to use up a "junk" horn.

Of course, this is where we hear from the "How can you do that to a musical instrument?" crowd, but that's the price you pay...
 
That's exactly what they're going to do. Create a whole new section of the store dedicated to instruments with the same big name brands as you'd see in Guitar Center. It'll be both "bricks and clicks (in-store and online)".

Now you'll be about to shop for the cherry red sunburst Les Paul you've always wanted while the Mrs. is pricing that new fridge for the kitchen.

That is sobering. I guess now, the only hope the little guy will have is for these big box stores to do such an awful job they'll drive them back to the little guys. I wonder how they'll handle the service issues ? Are we going to see a "Geek Squad" variation from the big guys ? This is a sad turn of events.
 
That is sobering. I guess now, the only hope the little guy will have is for these big box stores to do such an awful job they'll drive them back to the little guys. I wonder how they'll handle the service issues ? Are we going to see a "Geek Squad" variation from the big guys ? This is a sad turn of events.

I can see it now

"Are you from the Geek squad?"

"No ma'am, we're musicians."
 
I can see it now

"Are you from the Geek squad?"

"No ma'am, we're musicians."

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This is a sad turn of events.

Yes, sad indeed.

I'm sure there are some hanging out here who remember the heyday of 48th street in NYC, with it's block long strip of music stores. It's still there, still music stores, but has mostly been taken over by the Sam Ash corporate leviathan. Back in the '60s and '70s there seemed to be a million stores crammed into the long block between 6th and 7th, or maybe Broadway and 6th ave.

Back in those day's, Sam Ash was just a little nondescript store with it's entrance at the basement of a larger store. The main powers were Manny's Music, and Ponte Music. Other stores that remain in my feeble memory are Terminal Music and Alex Music, but there were many, many others. Later, in the early '70s, Rod Baltimore opened his store there.

My memories mainly concern Ponte's, as I was directed there by a kindly old gentleman who was playing bass saxophone with the Claude Thornhill Orchestra in 1966. I know the year because I still have the receipt for the gold plated Wolf Tayne bari mouthpiece I purchased on my first visit. My Dad drove me there, and Mr. Ponte introduced me to the great Romeo Penque, who just seemed to be hanging out at the store that day. Charles Ponte was a real cool dude. An old curmudgeon of the first order. Later on, he moved the store down to 46th street, right under where Roberto's is now. I was driving myself by that time, and I remember bringing the Selmer horns that I had bought from him, back for routine service. One time, at the end of one of these service visits, Mr. Ponte seemed to be waiting for the tech to finish working on my horn. He then eagerly rushed me to the sales counter and enthused about the homemade wine that he had just finished making, and how I needed to try some before I left. Well, these were my drinking days, and my arm needed not to be twisted. So, he pulled out paper cups, reached under the counter, and pulled out a freshly minted bottle of red, pulled the cork, and we were going to town. For some reason, the sound of the cups hitting the glass counter top was enough to summon all the sales people, and anyone else in the store who was in hip to what was happening. So another bottle would appear from under the counter, and more going to town was embarked upon. The wine was strong, and after the 4th or 5th round of paper cup action, I had to inform Mr. Ponte that I was driving, and that I needed to be able to find my car.

I know that those days are long gone, but it's sad to see that the warmth, and the sense of comraderie that some of the old stores provided seems to be replaced by the cold, impersonal convience of the internet, the sales catalog, and a place like Best Buy. What's next, we'll be buying reeds at Home Depot?
 
I played bass sax. Where else would I get my reeds, sideC

While I feel a little sorry for mom & pop who can't keep their stores, I do buy everything except groceries online.[/qupte]

There were a number of "order on line, we deliver it to you" grocery firms back in the late 1990's and early 2000's. It was widely touted as the wave of the future, and branches of these operations were seen to operate from some local grocery stores, undersized vans crammed to the gills with orders that they were trying to fulfill on the cheap instead of with a real delivery van.

None lasted all that long, although the loading area for one of them is still extant outside of one of the stores. No sign left of what it was for - the local skateboarders do their stunts off of its edges. The unity of two trendy things in one.
 
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Regarding Mom and Pop...

I have a slightly different view, even though I have fond memories of Hunleth Music in downtown St. Louis, where they had old Albert horns (including many decent Buffet and Selmer ones) piled up like cordwood in one bay of their cabinetry. I miss Hunleth, and I enjoy the few old style music stores still standing (there's a neat one in downtown Pensacola FL), but I've noticed the changes since the "big stores" came along (including one that most don't see).

Prior to coming down here to hurricane land, I used to live in little Mount Vernon IL. A county seat in a typical downstate county in Illinois, it was the only large "urban" center in the area, and was home to many typical retail establishments. We had the local department store, the local pharmacy, the local clothing stores, the local hardware store, the grocery store that "everyone goes to", and so on. (Alas, no music stores.)

You wanted a suit, you went to Karl's For Men. You wanted a wrench, you went to either Tractor Supply (a neat place) or the local True Value Hardware. The only place to get your prescription filled was at Byrd-Watson Drug. There was one news stand in town where you could get your non-subscription magazines (including a weird old porn item called Leg Show).

All of these places were owned by local folks. Each and every one of these were "pillar of the community" folks. All of them sent their kids away to expensive colleges long before this was common. All drove "town car" equivalents, and many of them took the summer off, heading north to a Wisconsin like "summer home" destination.

And then, along came Wal Mart...

The arrival of a Wal Mart is widely considered the death knell of small businesses, and with very good reason. Wal Mart does this by providing the same or equivalent merchandise at a lower price. Much of this ability is attributed to their bulk buying power, but there's another cut of the total price reduction they offer that doesn't often get discussed.

That's the "pillar of the community" cut, the extra profit that enabled those local moguls to live the lifestyle that they did for all of those years. Instead of taking the "Presbyterian profit" of 10% or so, they took advantage of their monopoly situation to make enough to live the good life.

(And, this phenomenon is nothing new. Remember that local drug store, Byrd-Watson Drug? It too was a victim of competition, being a merger of two different firms back in the 1930's, one that shut down several other drug shops in town. Competition in business didn't start with Wal Mart.)

The thing about Wal Mart is that they come into town and strip out virtually all of the administrative costs (or "overhead", or "jobs for the boss's kids") from business. You don't need a hardware store and a pharmacy and a food store and a shoe store, along with the manager/owner for each. Instead, you get one big store, lower paid department heads, and one smaller (and fat free) management team running the whole thing. And, when that happens (along with the lower prices that it brings) local businesses (with the ownership "fat" that each of them has built in) suddenly can't compete.

Some of these places just close up, the owners taking their money and running from the business. (That's what our neighbors, the owners of the True Value franchise, did.) Others try to hang on, but at a much reduced rate of profit (since the big store is going to cut prices to attract business).

Not nice for them, but the price drops in the costs of about everything are of some small consolation for the rest of us.

Not pleasant, and (by extension to music retailing) death to personalized service that a classic music shop (or shoe repair shop, or mechanic) can offer. But, it's the age old story: service, quality and price - pick two.
 
The only "problem(s)" I have with MallWart is that I find their "SuperCenter" grocery stores to be incredibly lacking in quality (however, I'm sure that the rats in the bakery are very high quality), particularly in the produce and meat sections. However, considering I'm in a major metropolitan center, I don't *have* to shop at MallWart. I can shop at Fry's (Kroger's).

Just building on what you mention, Terry, if it's true that you have to "pick two", one would say that that's why the little shops fail in the face of MallWart: their service might be better, but they sell the same goods (sometimes) so the quality isn't different. The price is lower at MallWart.

(Oh. The shopping experience is a lot nicer at Safeway, but I don't shop there because everything's so darn expensive. My "shopping experience" isn't worth the extra $40 per week.)

Now, if you happened to have Uncle Pete's Custom Professional Saxophone Shoppe and MallWart decided to open a store across the street from me and start selling SIMBA and Suzuki horns, I'm not terribly concerned because MallWart shoppers aren't my market. I've got custom professional saxophone. MallWart has low quality student horns.

(Yes, I know student horns are what makes companies money, but still.)
 
Along the lines of what Pete describes. I managed a upscale Audio Video store. At one end of the street we had a Circuit city and another now defunct big box retailer. At the opposite end we had a Federated store. We enjoyed record sales and increased traffic while this situation was in effect. Customers would wander in and we'd convert them with better products and service. Competitive prices too. Then Federated shut the one store down. Our cross traffic between the stores declined and so did our foot traffic. We still fared well, but we didn't see the same numbers as we previously did. That is until a Trader Joes moved into our shopping center. Trader Joes is known for appealing to a more select demographic. Exactly the kind of demographic we catered to. Our numbers rose again, to even higher numbers than before.

Big box stores can create some competition. But if you excel at what you do, and create your own niche, there still is room for the little guys. You can even profit from the situation.
 
Unless you live in a big city, the choices tend to too limiting for me. Shopping on the Internet has saved me some money and allowed me to try things that were *never* available in the mom and pop stores based in small towns.
 
I agree with that. I read a lot (on the walls of our dining room are some two thousand books, with many, many more boxed up in the storage room), and I have always been frustrated with book retailers. There was some improvement when the Borders and Barnes & Noble chains opened up, but they still don't stock the categories that I'm looking for.

Not a problem with Amazon.com, what with its tie in to the used book network. Last month, I managed to score a French version of a book that I've been searching for in English for nigh on twenty five years. It's not as good as it would be in English (my French sucks (but perhaps that's not the best way of putting that), but it's got the same maps and tables as the English version.

Before Amazon, this was incredibly impossible to find. With Amazon, as soon as it was on the market - bing! - it was on its way to me by the mails. Wonderful!

I'm also interested in Japanese armored vehicles in the Showa period (1929 to 1945). In the old days, I had to deal with Japanese publishers (good luck with that) to get what there was. Now, I just go to HobbyLink Japan and they list out all that are available, now and in the future.

I've not bought but one horn over the "Internets", but I have to say that it was a relatively painless experience. However, when I buy one "for keeps", I'm going to want to pick from a field, and that's still going to entail a real store, like it or not. However, the likelihood of my needing to do this in the foreseeable future is pretty slim.
 
SOTSDO, you might want to see if you can do an interlibrary loan to try to get the book you want in English. Just ask at your local library. Or make the Library of Congress your next vacation destination. Google Books is also pretty kewl.

(I've worked in two libraries and my mom worked for several, throughout the years.)

I'm fond of some relatively esoteric writers, myself, and when you include my woodwind fetish, I have a lot of books that are difficult to find.

While the local used bookstore(s) now have a bunch of my old books, I've got a couple thousand on the bookshelves here, too.

However, I rather like Borders and B&N. 40% off one book at Borders, with a purchase of at least $20. Sale ends tomorrow.
 
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