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Conn Resources

pete

Brassica Oleracea
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You want more Conn? You can't handle more Conn!

Or maybe you can.

Check out The Conn Loyalist, too. It also has some info on the Pan American. It's not just a saxophone-only 'site.
 

pete

Brassica Oleracea
Staff member
Administrator
What?! More Conn?!

Yup.

I'm actually going to link through the page off the Conn Loyalist website, as it has a couple extra MDB articles on it, but it has a link to MDB's main website at the University of South Dakota:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnHistory.html
 

pete

Brassica Oleracea
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Administrator
Oh, I had way more and better Conn F horn stuff on saxpics.com. They don't even have pictures! I had original catalogs.

http://www.saxpics.com/conn/f_horns.htm

BTB, I love the Stephen Howard website. It's extra kewl.
 
pete said:
BTB, I love the Stephen Howard website. It's extra kewl.
Oh yeah. Stephen has some of the most in depth reviews of all things saxophone on the web. I've spent many an hour looking through his site.

I also forgot to mention. A few years ago, the people of the Conn Loyalist were very helpful in answering several questions that I had about Conn saxophones. I bought a New Wonder partially based on their advice. It's a cool website.
 

pete

Brassica Oleracea
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RE: Loyalist, they recently asked me if they could copy stuff from saxpics.com. I told the webmaster that I no longer owned the website, so I couldn't give permission, but I'd be happy to answer as many questions as possible.

I got some catalog scans in the deal and gave them some 16V info :).
 

SOTSDO

Old King Log
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What is most interesting about the Conn phenominon is that only Conn seems to command this kind of intense loyalty. In addition to the general information about the horns themselves, I've seen whole series of photographs devoted to the history of the company and to the manufacturing processes, this for a company that has been defunct long time passing. Neither Yamaha nor Selmer (nor, for that matter, Kenny G) saxophones have commanded such loyalty to the extent that someone has gone to such trouble.

While some may intensely "not like" the Conn horns (and, with the ergonomics, the mouthpiece limitations, and the general funky smell that is part of most of them, there is substance there not to like), there is also the reverse side of the coin. Whether or not they are meant for all, it is clear that they are meant for some. The issues with the sound that some find with them (and are articulated here quite well) are clearly not a problem for others. (I have found that the classic Conn alto from the 1920's quite to my liking, but agree wholeheartedly from my limited experience that classic Conn baritones are to be avoided. Since tenors aren't my cup of tea, I don't even have to worry in that area.)

However, it's quite easy to ignore one of the biggest issues with all saxophones here: availability. Finding a restorable Conn horn (with the exception of the overly-popular tenors of certain vintage) is very easy. I got my alto for all of $25.00, filthy stinking mess though it was at the time. Convinced as I was of the Conn advantages (great sound being the foremost of them), I put about $700 into a full rebuild minus the gold plate, and I am more than pleased with the end result. Purchasing a viable (that is to say, "capable of restoration with minimal investment") Conn can run as little as $50 on eBay the last time that I ran a check. Getting any other "good" horn (Selmer or Yamaha) for such a price is unheard of.

Purchase and restore is not for all. But, many who like Selmer classics would jump at such a chance. The beauty of the Conn instrument is that the price is right. The days of finding a relatively undamaged Mark VI in a pawn shop are long gone; improved communications have all but eliminated the "knowledge gap" that used to enable such finds.

I would never praise the vintage Conn instruments for their ergonomics. I always claim that the good Colonel (a Colonel only by courtesy, mind you - along the lines of Colonel Saunders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame) used an orangoutang as the model for his user's fingers and hands. They are also "old", something that comes with old cases, the smell and thumb hooks suited for a foundryworker's hands.

But the sound (with the right mouthpiece) is what impresses me. Deep, full bodied and "throaty", something that classic "French design" saxes just don't have. The difference (to me, at least) at least merits a trial. And, with Conn prices being rock bottom for project instruments, it's a difference that many can experience. Try that with a classic Mark VI some time.

(In fact, you can even take the phased restoration position with one of these horns. Purchase the wreck, have a minimal rebuilt done (pads and mechanical) and then - if you like it - you can go the extra expense for the cosmetic aspect. Since comparable quality Selmer project horns are few and far between, it's unlikely that you'd be able to do the same there. And, forget about finding lower quantity instruments like a Big B.)

Some of the objections raised to Conn instruments also merit some discussion. The low Eb "fork" fingering on older Conns has historically been corked closed on restored horns. I've tried it both ways (having played similarly equipped Leblanc bass clarinets over the years), but I agreed with my technician that it was better left deactivated. The articulated G# absence was never a problem on any Conn horns that I have tried (mostly from the 1920's), since all of them had it there and enabled. And, the lack of altissimo keywork was never an issue for me. (For those who have a pressing need for such things, Conn's have their own complement of altissimo fingerings that are "off the charts".)

Ultimately, the proof is in the playing. Opinions such as mine and others are just that - opinions. An actual trial (and more than five minutes on someone else's horn) on a Conn will give you a good look at the good (the sound), the bad (the smell), and the ugly (the keywork - oh, how I hate those left hand little finger keys). And, it's something that most can afford to experience and make up their own mind over with an extended trial - something that's not easily said for other "must have" horns.
 

SOTSDO

Old King Log
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What you do in the privacy of your own website is between you and God (assuming s/he cares in the first place), Pete. Feel free to move, remove, edit or otherwise employ anything that I write here.

Well, with perhaps one exception: I don't want to be associated with the tenor saxophone any more than is absolutely necessary. Although I have owned two (both desirable Selmer Mark VI horns, for what that's worth), I have avoided anything associated with tenor playing almost like the plague.

There was one time, when playing with a group that was made up of part high school students and part adult 'pros', when I was thrust into the role of Tenor I for three-quarters of a hour. The performance was on prom night, and their nominal lead tenor was forced into doing the first portion of the prom with his "lady" or lose her, so he phoned in the fact that he would be "late" about ten minutes before the group was scheduled to start.

I put aside my baritone, had my son bring me a tenor that I was baby-sitting (having recently used it in a show), and literally filled in for the first set that we played. All sight reading (but mostly high school and college targeted music, thank God), and having written out solos (again, thank God). I won't say it wasn't fun, but if it's all the same to the rest of youse, I'll stick to baritone.

One of the problems with aspiring to play tenor is that there is so much competition for the position. In the above mentioned group, they had no shortage of tenor players while they couldn't get a student baritone or bass trombone player to save their soul. (None of the other tenor players would touch Tenor I with a ten foot pole, however...)
 

pete

Brassica Oleracea
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Administrator
Hey, I'm a bari player, too!

I'm all over on different topics on this website -- as are you -- and I just appreciate the input. I just want to get it in a place where the most possible people will read it.

Take care!
 
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