Glueing a barrel?

Hi

I started in another thread about a 8 keys clarinet...

Is it possible to tace away glue and to make a better "glue"?
barrel1.jpg


I can see inside the barrel that in the crack there is no glue...
inside_barrel.jpg


...and then glue again, pressing parts together?

Can acetone soften the old glue so I can take the barrel apart?

Wish for answers if possible

Staffan
 
Hi again

What should my next step be?

I have read this link:
https://www.dawkes.co.uk/sound-room/workshop-tips-how-we-fix-clarinet-cracks/

...and now when this crack is straight through, can I "open the crack" with
a Dremel, file-drill, 1,5 mm, down to the bore? Then I can fill it slowly with
powder and glue, when I sealed the bore with a soft rubber tube, I stuffed,
so it is tight, so not so much glue is flows around (google transl)
I open the crack according to the marks on the picture.
barrel_no_glue1.jpg

???
Has anyone done this?

Staffan
 
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Hi

I once did this with a piccola barrel...
see pictures.
piccola_paron1c.jpg

...but then it was a silver tube inside...
renoverad1.jpg


Staffan, in Stockholm
 
My hands on experience with crack repair on wooden instruments is very limited. In the shop where I worked there were two other techs who were skilled at this proceedure. What I learned by observation is that it is critical that all of the old adhesive be removed for the glue to be effective, and that cracked sections are often either "pinned" or held together using carbon fiber bands for added strength in addition to gluing. I don't think they would have attempted to repair a barrel in this condition. Good luck with the challenge.
 
Hi jbtsax

Thank you for your answer.

I think I can either try to fill the crack, one side at a time, from
both inside and from outside, but I think it is very difficult from
inside. Or I "open the crack" and work only from outside.

Yes, I must remove the old glue...when I file-drill the crack larger...

Just now I am looking for a soft rubber hose to get the inside tight.
....natural rubber?


Staffan
 
Hi again

I think I must give up opening the cracks. They are to "oblique and skewed"
(Google transl), not radial....

So it remains to fill them both from inside and from outside.

Staffan
 
I've repaired barrels in this condition with some success. It may be possible to remove the old glue, but it depends upon what sort of glue it is. If a hide glue has been used it can be removed with hot water, if it is cyano-acrylate (superglue) then acetone may work. If it is epoxy then I have on idea how you might remove it. With the crack cleaned as much as possible, fit the rings to stabilize the barrel. Seal the bore using a dowel wrapped with plumbers teflon tape until it is a snug fit in the bore.
If the crack is large enough, dust baking soda into the crack, taking care to clean off any that settles on the body of the barrel. If it's not large enough then skip the baking soda. Using something like a toothpick, introduce extremely low viscosity superglue into the crack, taking care to avoid getting it anywhere other than the crack. The baking soda will absorb the superglue and ensure a hard, dense filling. The crack with probably need several applications of superglue, allowing each layer to dry before applying the next.
While there is still a little depth to the crack pack it loosely with grenadilla dust (make it yourself using a nailfile and an old piece of grenadilla) and then apply the last layer of superglue. At this point check the cracks under the rings from the inside of the tenon recess and apply superglue as described. At this point you can remove the dowel. When it has set file and sand the ridge down to the level of the body of the barrel. Done properly and finished with care this repair will be almost undetectable.
Low viscosity superglue is available through music repair materials suppliers or specialist tool or bearing shops, at least it is here in Australia. You may have to your own research here.
 
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