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Are Pedler BCs now rare and collectible?

#1
I found this on EBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ped...790318?hash=item2cae3cf06e:g:Pk0AAOSwtJZXVcgu


I have a Pedler BC. I had it not just re-padded, but overhauled by my tech. It's actually a nice BC and I like the Americana thing with the engraved bell (although I'd like to have some of the dents removed from it), and five piece wooden body.

So I have purchase price ~$300.00 (it's been 4-5 years)
Overhaul $400.00
Gig Bag $80.00 (The case was in pieces and stunk up the house)
Total $780.00

As much as I like my Pedler, I'm playing Alto Sax these days, so if someone wants to offer me half of the E- Bay price of $3,500.00 we would have a deal :).

Also, the E-Bay Pedler has an un-repaired big piece of wood broken off near the thumb rest!
 

TrueTone

Clarinet, Sax, Oboe, History
#2
Only one of these that sold on ebay recently was for $425, so I think they might want a bit more than it's worth. =P
 

pete

Brassica Oleracea
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#3
The more fonts and font sizes used in the eBay ad, the less value the instrument has.

Amusingly, the person's also bought a Google ad, which I found when I was checking up on these. The eBay'er also originally listed the horn at $5000.

* TT said he saw one sold for $425. The ones in current ads are a semi-beat one for $299, one in nice shape at Buy-it-Now of about $1150, and the now $3.5K horn. Googling shows a few more, with the highest selling for (not "sold for") $1200 and most selling for the sub-$500 range.
* I can say that lots of folks have said Pedler clarinets are decent. I don't remember hearing anything negative. That being said, I can buy a Selmer Series 9 bass clarinet for $2000 in "excellent condition" from Quinn or a new low C Ridenour for $2850.

Yah. I'm not exactly able to justify the price the guy's selling at. Also, as mentioned, the $3500 eBay horn has damage: bunch of dents, broken thumbrest, missing plating, bad corks, etc.
 

Steve

Clarinet CE/Moderator
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#6
Just because someone wants to sell something for a certain price doesn't actually mean that it is worth that amount.

I love the "someone says it is worth" amount.
As that can vary greatly depending upon what they actually mean (modern retail insurable value? insured replacement value, current value, open market value, etc.). When someone says something is worth far more than you think one should IMMEDIATELY sell it to THAT person that declares that. Probably 100% of the time that person does not want to buy it, which gives you a good indication of actual valuation accuracy.

I recall a few years ago someone on eBay was trying to sell a "Symphonie Artiste" Bb clarinet for $1500ish.
I told them it was a Sears sold instrument made by Malerne.
But they refused to accept that, and declared that it was a Leblanc made clarinet. Simply because and old model name was similar. Forget the keywork was not leblanc, nor the emblems similar, and no "leblanc" stamp anywhere to be found, etc.

Also Irregardless that I bought one over a two decades before (and it's still around) and it clearly is NOT high quality in any regards. Definitely not Leblanc, nor Noblet quality level, nor even Normandy quality level. It was below that, similar to the lower end Selmer USA clarinets of the time, think Signet 100 level. It was made by Malerne and a beginner student level instrument.

After about a year I still saw it for sale though the price keep lowering to around $350 at that time. I'm sure it still went unsold as time went on.

For Open Market valuation I check eBay SOLD auctions. That gives one the best indicator of valuation in an Open Market, which last time was $425 in good condition.

If you consider it a Pro level instrument then one could get insurance to replace a comparable pro level instrument, which will give you a valuation on the other side of the spectrum. What is it's equivalent? A Buffet Tosca Bass Clarinet? Of course one would actually have to have current replacement valuation on it, just hope that the insurance company doesn't research it if one gets stolen and hand one a check for $425.
 

pete

Brassica Oleracea
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#7
For Open Market valuation I check eBay SOLD auctions. That gives one the best indicator of valuation in an Open Market
http://www.woodwindforum.com/forum/index.php?threads/global-faq-horn-value.20646/

The upthrust of that thread is that monetary value doesn't always equal playability value, particularly in the used market. New market? That's a bit different because all the prices are so much higher. Personally, what I want to do is get the player the best bang for the buck. Why? Well, I think the world is a better place with more musicians and if you have good kit, you're going to stick with playing longer.

In a very real sense, I really don't care if someone spends $3500 on a bass clarinet that folks say is worth $500. It's not hurting me in any way -- except if I had my eye on an identical horn and was hoping to pay only $500 for it. However, I'm not in the market for a bass clarinet. I don't have any friends or family members that want a bass clarinet, either.

Being apathetic can be liberating :D.
 
#8
Only one of these that sold on ebay recently was for $425, so I think they might want a bit more than it's worth. =P

I'd bet that the $425.00 BC didn't have a chunk of wood pulled out of it! "Surprisingly" :) this one didn't sell.

I've done 2 no-reserve E-Bay Auctions: one for a Jupiter BC and another for a Beaugnier Vito Alto. Both sold for what (I believe) they were worth. For the most part, the market seeks it's own level. I'd bet if this BC was auctioned with no reserve it would have sold for (maybe) $200.00 with a big chunk out of it, it's a parts horn.
 
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